Comments on: Runkle Canyon is NOT Toxic! Let’s Move On!

By: Idiot_Buster

Idiot_Buster — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 08:28:44 +0000

You make your bed and then you sleep in it. If you chose to be ignorant, it is your decision, your life. Comments posted in this blog by yours truly are in fact, independent. I am not associated with any group, just a concerned neighbor who’s seen much regarding this complicated and long standing issue facing the community. The facts are what the facts are. A suggestion would be for anyone who cares about their neighbor or their neighborhood, is for them to get involved and learn the facts — there are many, and I am still learning. The State is still learning. The Regional Water Board has recently found extensive contamination flowing off the mountain into YOUR neighborhood. Get to know what the water board found and how the runoff gets into Simi well water to be ultimately blended into the drinking water headed for your tap. Get to know what causes different types of cancer: hint — for example, Google: “TCDD Dioxin Lymphoma” and see for yourself. Don’t stop there, keep reading, keep Googling. See the films on U-Tube, the History Channel short film is a start. Wikipedia is very good. Former Senator Kuehl has articles for you to read on her website. The government reports are available for all to read, see their websites as well. Meetings are not to be missed, find out when and where. Get familiar with Google Earth and learn the drainages from Rocketdyne’s (radioactive-nuclear) Area IV into Runkle Canyon. Learn about Sage Ranch contamination. Get familiar with contamination tables put out by Cal EPA and Fed EPA. Compare the tables with actual contaminate finds in the local area. Read the Rocketdyne depositories in place at Simi library and other libraries. Put your listening ears on and learn from former workers and you will be amazed by the amount illegal dumping that went on for years unabated, leaving behind on the Santa Susanas AND RUNKLE some of the most toxic junk found on planet earth. Learn about laboratories and different EPA testing methods. Realize the limitations of government regulators and the need for citizen involvement in the public process in order to properly characterize the clean up. Look at innovative ways to get the job done. Be a part of the solution, not a part of the problem. Endeavor to make a difference in lives yet to come.

Whatever politics you refer to means nothing to me as I have no idea what you are talking about. For your information, (now that you erroneously bring it up) if there is a corrupt real estate salesperson who’s motivation is only greed and the suppression of evidence with the intent to defraud or cover up toxic contamination, my suggestion is for you to identify such person or persons to the California Department of Real Estate and ask the Department that their license be revoked. It seems you know much more about who this person is, perhaps a good use of your time would be to correct the problem if indeed there is one.

By: Danger Ranger

Danger Ranger — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 07:12:12 +0000

Dont dare disagree with the rangers publicly, else you’re ignorant, stupid, and disrespectful of cancer patients.

I’m not going to pretend you’re an expert on this, but I get your point. The jury is still out. That won’t stop the Rangers from trying to scare the shit out of the city. Too bad the dramatics make for great headlines.

By: Mike Chandler

Mike Chandler — Tue, 24 Feb 2009 00:50:14 +0000

I fail to see how you interpret my remarks as being from an individual who spits in the faces of cancer patients, but I do hope it at least opens your eyes to why I think your group comes off as sensationalists. Nobody, not even the city or the DTSC, has argued that Rocketdyne was a polluter. It was whether or not Runkle Canyon was a toxic wasteland, which the DTSC has indicated is not.

I suppose debating your conspiracy theories involving Councilmember Glen Becerra’s realtor wife, statements on the Radiation Rangers website, would also make me idiotic as well, correct?

Considering how much smarter all of you are than I am, shouldn’t you be spending your blog comment posting time elsewhere? I can probably point you to some wikipedia articles on sodium chloride.

By: Idiot_Buster

Idiot_Buster — Mon, 23 Feb 2009 23:22:40 +0000

Whew Chandler, you really need to cough up that stupid pill you are currently gagging on !! California Senate Bill 990 was signed into law by the governor recently and passed both houses — why? Please read SB990 and gain perspective on what the populace now knows regarding the extensive contamination flowing down into Runkle, Sage, Dayton, Black, Woosley, Las Virgenes, and et al area Canyons. This is a veritable witches brew and is not going away despite any Chandlers out there acting like ostriches with heads stuck down deep in the sand. 50,000 years just to clean up the hundreds of thousands of gallons of spilled Trichlorethelyne; TCDD Dioxin well beyond safe limits for life found by the State of California in area creek beds; Radioactive Cesium and Strontium lingering in the hills above and valleys below with their half lives STILL to this day; the list goes on and on and on. Radiation is invisible, so your out-of-sight-out-of-mind mentality is truly harming your neighbors. The Rocketdyne polluter (Boeing) is now a convicted felon, did you know that? What have you done to help with the effort to clean the place up? Or are you just plain ignorant? Talk is cheap Chandler, and you’re the cheapest they get. Perhaps it is time for you to spend time in a Cancer Intensive Care Unit and watch your neighbor die of industrial contamination. It sounds like you’re the type that would spit in the cancer victim’s face. Bravo. I welcome your idiotic reply back.

By: Concerned in Simi

Concerned in Simi — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 03:19:24 +0000

Alara, I dont have a official position on this issue because I’ll be the first to admit I don’t fully get it but come off as condescending which makes you seem less credible. And it really does look like y’all are saying there’s contamination and radiation and such there with all the radioactive signs and graphics and commentary you have. If the jury is still out on that, aren’t y’all worried about the impression you make on those who read your literature and web site?

By: P

Sat, 22 Nov 2008 03:02:22 +0000

sorry, but I’m not at all about to believe that this is all hype. I have followed this closely for years and I have very little doubt at all in my mind that runkle is seriously contaminated. I think your being close minded because you cant accept your local government is corrupt but all the evidence is on the rangers website.

By: NotAlara

NotAlara — Sat, 22 Nov 2008 02:32:02 +0000

The best part is this: “Chandler, you’ve mentioned Becerra’s wife a few times and I’m just going to leave that one alone…”

Hell yea you are!

Go Chandler!

By: Mike Chandler

Mike Chandler — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 18:15:19 +0000

Nonsense, Alara. Clean that crap off the Ranger’s website if its truly old news or no longer applicable. Otherwise, more poor saps like that guy on Monday night are going to scold and berate the council for no good reason whatsoever, and all because they believed your overly sensationalized bullshit. Until then, you’re all just a bunch of headline snagging liars. I seriously don’t see how you can argue that’s ok because of dates

I’ve read your reports and took them at face value. That’s the god damn problem! I was once working on a website to call attention to what I thought was a problem being ignored by the city.

People like you cost money, needlessly frighten people and waste time, and you do it on a high horse with a pompous attitude. You deserve NO attention from the city council.

By: Alara

Alara — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 05:47:54 +0000

Oh God I promised myself I wouldn’t get into it with people who don’t bother to do any real research so I am going to restrain myself here and post just once more.

Chandler, you’ve mentioned Becerra’s wife a few times and I’m just going to leave that one alone… The fact is that, yes, the Rangers’ have made statements about the City Council that weren’t pretty, but the City also made ridiculous accusations toward the Rangers. That’s all old news, at least a year old, though if you don’t bother to check the dates you could be confused I guess. The latest news is that, on Monday, the City praised the Rangers, the Rangers praised the city, as well as KB Home and DTSC. Everyone is on the same page here except for you most pleasant folks.

I’ve spent hours reading all of this, days in fact, and I’m not going to spoon feed it to you now. You want me to send you all the documents? Puhleez. I don’t have that kind of time and they’re easy enough for you to go get yourself. There’s a lot of sites with the information but probably the easiest is EnviroReporter.com – it has a great interactive timeline that links to pdfs of all the developer’s and government reports. This is required reading for anyone who wants to opine on Runkle Canyon intelligently.

Otherwise, get with the program and realize that all the players are working harmoniously even though there are serious issues still to be resolved. Take care.

Alara

By: Rangers R Old News

Rangers R Old News — Fri, 21 Nov 2008 00:13:38 +0000

Nice, that’s another example of the same putrid crap the rangers always pull. What? You’re not on the same page? Then you have a vested interest AND/OR you’re too stupid to get it. Stand your ground.